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Unread postPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:17 am 
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Well its the novice again. Got the new engine installed. As i was underneath putting on the last bolt thru the starter I noticed a bushing on the garage floor, thats right, the starter bushing, so I pulled the starter back off, lubed the bushing put it in, then reinstalled the starter. Hooked everything up and all I get is the "whrilling" sound like the starter is turning but not engaging. Began thinking the bushing did not go in correctly or may have pushed out the back side. Determined it could not go out the back and reinstalled everything. Still just whirling. So my questions are:
is the bushing supposed to be loose (I can slide it in out with my finger)?
Do I need a new bushing?
I have 12.6 volts going to the starter, I tried jumping the solenoid and get the same whirling. is my starter bad?
Is it possible it is not engaging since I still have a 6V starter installed?
Would a newer starter solve the issue, i.e. does it have a larger gear to contact the flywheel?


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Unread postPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:56 am 
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Before anything "happens" within the starter, the very first noise you should hear is a "CLACK" which is the solenoid pushing the drive gear towards the flywheel. Otherwise you will get that whirling of the starter without engaging on the flywheel. While the bushing is supposed to stay put and not be loose in its place, I doubt that is your problem. There is, or should be, a pin where the drive gear lever swings or pivots from when the solenoid activates. If the pin is "missing", you may get the "clack" sound but the lever will not swing far enough to engage the gear. Check for that and good luck! :cool:

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Unread postPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:30 am 
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you are correct, there is a "clack" before the whirling. Where abouts is the "pin" you are referring to? Starter motor or solenoid? I do see where the "arm" from the starter attaches to the solenoid but no pin or no place for a pin.


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Unread postPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:31 pm 
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See the "engaging lever" and the "pivot pin"? :neutral:

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Unread postPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:04 pm 
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So I took the starter off the oval bug, not knowing if it worked or not, installed in the bus and it whirled just the same. I did notice the teeth on the starter front side had new grind marks. I also tested the original bus starter by putting some jumper cables on it, and jumping the ignition switch. Everything works as it should, gear comes out and turns.
So I put my finger up in the whole where the starter goes and it appears the flywheel is right next to the hole where ther bushing is mounted. I think i have the wrong starter for the flywheel I have. I think when I turn the key the starter tries to engage but it hits the fly wheel where it stays turning without engaging.
Anyone know if there a starter that has a "smaller" gear than the old 6 volt stlye starter?


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Unread postPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:43 am 
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Yes, the 12-volt style starter. Since you have to get a 12V starter anyway, I suggest getting an autostick beetle starter, which requires no bushing.

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Unread postPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:16 pm 
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I spoke with the company that built the engine, provided me with a couple of different PN for the 12 volt starter that I need. I ended up going with the autostick variety and it worked like a charm. Felt good hearing it running.
No I am having accelerator issues, the tube going through the fan shroud is a sliding in and out (the front side is flared, the back not so) so I will read up on accelerator issues.
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keep up the good work! If you were here I would come over and help up out!!

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Unread postPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:50 am 
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On the accelerator cable tube simply install a screw clamp on the back side of the shroud around the tube snug up against the shroud that will keep it from sliding in and out.


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Unread postPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:48 pm 
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Slayer, you can still come out anytime you want, I have an extra bedroom.

Dan, I will try the clamp and let you know how ti works out.
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Bugstrk wrote:
Slayer, you can still come out anytime you want, I have an extra bedroom.

Dan, I will try the clamp and let you know how ti works out.
Thanks


The hose clamp works great, I use it on my engines!!

Thanks for the invite!!

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I used one of these with a hose clamp on my non-stock motor. :grin:

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Tube Sleeve for Hand Bending for 1/4" Tube OD, 10-1/2" Length, $1.62

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Unread postPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 2:27 pm 
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well I am trying to do all this with the engine installed, I think the hose clamp will work if I can get my hands up in there as the clutch cable/lever are in the way. i'll keep trying.


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Bugstrk wrote:
well I am trying to do all this with the engine installed, I think the hose clamp will work if I can get my hands up in there as the clutch cable/lever are in the way. i'll keep trying.


I put the clamp right behind the fan housing, if you have a dog house it will be rather difficult with the engine in!!

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Slayer wrote:
Bugstrk wrote:
well I am trying to do all this with the engine installed, I think the hose clamp will work if I can get my hands up in there as the clutch cable/lever are in the way. i'll keep trying.


I put the clamp right behind the fan housing, if you have a dog house it will be rather difficult with the engine in!!

Yes, what he said^^^.

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